Comments on: Standard Browser Behavior is Important http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important Alex King's blog - software, photography, sports, etc. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:46:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: peter http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2244 peter Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:15:35 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2244 I don’t care how sexy you think your website is, if I have to increase the font-size everytime I visit, I will stop visiting. It's funny! I don’t care how sexy you think your website is, if I have to increase the font-size everytime I visit, I will stop visiting. It’s funny!

]]> By: hemebond http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2222 hemebond Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:23:57 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2222 And use <a href="http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/06/25/mose/">MOSe</a>. And use MOSe.

]]> By: hemebond http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2221 hemebond Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:16:48 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2221 "What if I just really dislike IE users?" Design your web-pages to be XHTML+CSS2 compliant, using any features you want. That's the only way IE users will learn. This is no troll, I really hate it when people accomodate IE at their websites expence. “What if I just really dislike IE users?”

Design your web-pages to be XHTML+CSS2 compliant, using any features you want. That’s the only way IE users will learn.

This is no troll, I really hate it when people accomodate IE at their websites expence.

]]> By: David Dorward's Blog http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2216 David Dorward's Blog Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:04:46 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2216 <strong>MSIE Image Toolbar</strong> Via Tony: Matt has found out about removing the Internet Explorer Image Toolbar. It isn't news to me, and it is well documented by Microsoft. This is a piece of code that I used to make a point of having... MSIE Image Toolbar
Via Tony: Matt has found out about removing the Internet Explorer Image Toolbar. It isn’t news to me, and it is well documented by Microsoft. This is a piece of code that I used to make a point of having…

]]> By: Matt http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2214 Matt Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:24:36 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2214 What if I just really dislike IE users? ;) What if I just really dislike IE users? ;)

]]> By: Alex http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2213 Alex Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:16:54 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2213 "Is it just as bad?" is the real crux of the issue. You really don't know what might be a big problem for someone. “Is it just as bad?” is the real crux of the issue. You really don’t know what might be a big problem for someone.

]]> By: Jason http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2212 Jason Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:09:43 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2212 "There are also IE-only CSS commands that can change the colour and visibility of the browsers scrollbars. And ActiveX commands that allow you to install software on a users computer without them even knowing." Yes, yes, I realize that, and these are of course bad things. Is disabling the image toolbar just as bad? Is it <em>never</em> ok? Maybe it is just as bad, and maybe it is never ok. I need to think about it some more. “There are also IE-only CSS commands that can change the colour and visibility of the browsers scrollbars. And ActiveX commands that allow you to install software on a users computer without them even knowing.”

Yes, yes, I realize that, and these are of course bad things. Is disabling the image toolbar just as bad? Is it never ok?

Maybe it is just as bad, and maybe it is never ok. I need to think about it some more.

]]> By: hemebond http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2211 hemebond Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:51:43 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2211 "But isn’t the fact that there IS a header you can send to disable the image toolbar also a feature itself?" There are also IE-only CSS commands that can change the colour and visibility of the browsers scrollbars. And ActiveX commands that allow you to install software on a users computer without them even knowing. “But isn’t the fact that there IS a header you can send to disable the image toolbar also a feature itself?”

There are also IE-only CSS commands that can change the colour and visibility of the browsers scrollbars. And ActiveX commands that allow you to install software on a users computer without them even knowing.

]]> By: valerie http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2210 valerie Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:50:38 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2210 Holy cow, I never knew this was such a heated issue! ;-) I usually disable when using a larger image in a layout. Never thought about it from your perspective though... hmmmm... Holy cow, I never knew this was such a heated issue! ;-)
I usually disable when using a larger image in a layout.
Never thought about it from your perspective though… hmmmm…

]]> By: Jason http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2209 Jason Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:01:06 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2209 But isn't the fact that there IS a header you can send to disable the image toolbar also a feature itself? I do see and agree with your point, though. It just seems to me the image toolbar is more of a gray area. But isn’t the fact that there IS a header you can send to disable the image toolbar also a feature itself?

I do see and agree with your point, though. It just seems to me the image toolbar is more of a gray area.

]]> By: Alex http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2208 Alex Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:06:01 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2208 Follow this through to its logical conclusion. You are saying that it is up to the designer to choose to cripple functionality in their visitor's browser. There is no reason to do this. How would you feel if someone's site found a way to circumvent your pop-up blocking? You'd be upset, and rightfully so. You made the decision to block pop-ups and now a site is ignoring that decision. It is the same thing with the image toolbar and any other feature you find annoying. Just because you find it annoying doesn't make it right for you to turn it off for others. Follow this through to its logical conclusion. You are saying that it is up to the designer to choose to cripple functionality in their visitor’s browser. There is no reason to do this.

How would you feel if someone’s site found a way to circumvent your pop-up blocking? You’d be upset, and rightfully so. You made the decision to block pop-ups and now a site is ignoring that decision.

It is the same thing with the image toolbar and any other feature you find annoying. Just because you find it annoying doesn’t make it right for you to turn it off for others.

]]> By: Joss http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2206 Joss Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:45:14 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2206 For any photo or image embedded in html, to be presented as an image to a user, the image toolbar should be left as is. I had to create a site where I needed to use an iframe, and as such, had to use both an <img> tag and a bg image in a cell to accomplish what I needed. When the toolbar was enabled, it would popup and get in the way, and was just a pain. So there are defintly times when it should be disabled, but otherwise, it should be left alone. For any photo or image embedded in html, to be presented as an image to a user, the image toolbar should be left as is. I had to create a site where I needed to use an iframe, and as such, had to use both an tag and a bg image in a cell to accomplish what I needed. When the toolbar was enabled, it would popup and get in the way, and was just a pain. So there are defintly times when it should be disabled, but otherwise, it should be left alone.

]]> By: Jason http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2205 Jason Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:29:37 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2205 hemebond: "...if I have to increase the font-size everytime I visit, I will stop visiting." Exactly. Designers can and should make choices, but they should realize those choices may have repercussions. That's why I think designers should also be open to feedback... if their audience has a problem with the choices they've made, maybe they need to think twice about those choices. For instance, you've made it clear (at my site) that at least one person is having problems with my font size, so I'm going to work on that. hemebond: “…if I have to increase the font-size everytime I visit, I will stop visiting.”

Exactly. Designers can and should make choices, but they should realize those choices may have repercussions. That’s why I think designers should also be open to feedback… if their audience has a problem with the choices they’ve made, maybe they need to think twice about those choices. For instance, you’ve made it clear (at my site) that at least one person is having problems with my font size, so I’m going to work on that.

]]> By: hemebond http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2203 hemebond Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:32:38 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2203 "I (the designer) get to be in control of what happens within the browser window" [troll] Yeah! And those horrible right-click menus should be disabled too! They cover up vital eye-candy and the user doesn't really need such an annoying feature. [/troll] Just like shrinking text from the users default, or even specifying your own size regardless of the users settings, removing low-level control away from the user is not a good thing. I don't care how sexy you think your website is, if I have to increase the font-size everytime I visit, I will stop visiting. “I (the designer) get to be in control of what happens within the browser window”

[troll] Yeah! And those horrible right-click menus should be disabled too! They cover up vital eye-candy and the user doesn’t really need such an annoying feature. [/troll]

Just like shrinking text from the users default, or even specifying your own size regardless of the users settings, removing low-level control away from the user is not a good thing. I don’t care how sexy you think your website is, if I have to increase the font-size everytime I visit, I will stop visiting.

]]> By: Jason http://alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/comment-page-1#comment-2202 Jason Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:30:19 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2004/07/12/standard-browser-behavior-is-important/#comment-2202 "And, poor Alex getting negative comments about his site design..." I didn't mean my comments to be taken negatively. I personally don't feel any need to see which links I've already visited, and I too like Alex's design. :) “And, poor Alex getting negative comments about his site design…”

I didn’t mean my comments to be taken negatively. I personally don’t feel any need to see which links I’ve already visited, and I too like Alex’s design. :)

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