Comments on: WordPress Breaks Copy-Paste http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste Alex King, Denver Web Developer Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:02:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: OmegaMan http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-56471 OmegaMan Thu, 31 May 2007 18:13:00 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-56471 Upon further digging I found this old plugin that works with 2.2 currently wpuntexturize at http://www.coffee2code.com/archives/2004/06/27/plugin-wpuntexturize/ Upon further digging I found this old plugin that works with 2.2 currently wpuntexturize at http://www.coffee2co[...]untexturize/

]]> By: OmegaMan http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-56469 OmegaMan Thu, 31 May 2007 17:09:16 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-56469 I am having similar issues with copy and paste off of my blog. I don't care about the rss feeds at this time...but what is the resolution to not have the PHP output the smart quotes using the lates 2.2? Thanks. I am having similar issues with copy and paste off of my blog. I don’t care about the rss feeds at this time…but what is the resolution to not have the PHP output the smart quotes using the lates 2.2? Thanks.

]]> By: The Swamp » Blog Archive » Wordpress http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-8464 The Swamp » Blog Archive » Wordpress Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:16:54 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-8464 [...] Here’s another article about WordPress misadventures: WordPress Breaks Copy-Paste [...] [...] Here’s another article about WordPress misadventures: WordPress Breaks Copy-Paste [...]

]]> By: James Curbo's Weblog http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5654 James Curbo's Weblog Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:04:12 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5654 <strong>Wordpress wptexturize removal hack</strong> I wrote a plugin to remove smart quotes. ... WordPress wptexturize removal hack

I wrote a plugin to remove smart quotes.

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]]> By: Elana http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5368 Elana Tue, 17 May 2005 17:53:20 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5368 I think the problem goes down to the meta tags in the default themes for Wordpress. For example, when I use the meta tag <i><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="<?php bloginfo('html_type'); ?>; charset=<?php bloginfo('charset'); ?>"&gt</i> in my Wordpress theme header.php file, I get an error when running through the W3C validator that reads: <i> The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (utf-8) is different from the value in the element (iso-8859-1). I will use the value from the HTTP header (utf-8) for this validation.</i> I also see this when running http://binarybonsai.com/kubrick/ through it as well. I based my theme off the Kubrick theme packaged with WordPress, so this is unsurprising. The question is, is it a plug-in breaking it or is there something overriding the meta elsewhere in the code? I don't explicitly set the meta anywhere but my header.php file so it's picking it up from somewhere else. I think the problem goes down to the meta tags in the default themes for WordPress. For example, when I use the meta tag <meta http-equiv=”Content-Type” content=”<?php bloginfo(‘html_type’); ?>; charset=<?php bloginfo(‘charset’); ?>”&gt in my WordPress theme header.php file, I get an error when running through the W3C validator that reads:

The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (utf-8) is different from the value in the element (iso-8859-1). I will use the value from the HTTP header (utf-8) for this validation.

I also see this when running http://binarybonsai.com/kubrick/ through it as well. I based my theme off the Kubrick theme packaged with WordPress, so this is unsurprising. The question is, is it a plug-in breaking it or is there something overriding the meta elsewhere in the code? I don’t explicitly set the meta anywhere but my header.php file so it’s picking it up from somewhere else.

]]> By: Alderete http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5346 Alderete Fri, 13 May 2005 21:27:55 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5346 Cory Doctorow <a href="http://boingboing.net/2003_02_01_archive.html#90352273">made a similar complaint</a>, right down to the RSS feed problems -- in early 2003! John Gruber of Daring Fireball (and the author of a MovableType plug-in to <em>add</em> typographically pleasing characters) wrote what I consider to be the definitive response to this complaint, titled "<a href="http://daringfireball.net/2003/02/short_and_curlies">Short and Curlies</a>" (http://daringfireball.net/2003/02/short_and_curlies) Personally, I <em>love</em> the automatic formatting, and have actually hacked in additional transformations to the Textile 2 WP plug-in. Cory Doctorow made a similar complaint, right down to the RSS feed problems — in early 2003!

John Gruber of Daring Fireball (and the author of a MovableType plug-in to add typographically pleasing characters) wrote what I consider to be the definitive response to this complaint, titled “Short and Curlies” (http://daringfirebal[...]_and_curlies)

Personally, I love the automatic formatting, and have actually hacked in additional transformations to the Textile 2 WP plug-in.

]]> By: hink http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5345 hink Fri, 13 May 2005 20:16:03 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5345 I had a similar issue when reworking my scripting to generate a valid RSS feed -- I am a fanstypants and I like to use these entities in my posts, often in my title. I am not familiar with the inner workings of WordPress (I chose to frankenstein a far lesser-known cms), it was easy enough to fix my issue with <code>preg_replace()</code> and a defined entity array -- I am assuming that the aforementioned <code>ent2ncr()</code> does much the same thing. This might seem like a resource intensive method, but it only occurs at the time of publication in my CMS. I am sure the well-refined methodologies in WordPress outstrip my abilities, but it allows me the freedom to use UTF-8 at will and still output valid XML to the feed. I had a similar issue when reworking my scripting to generate a valid RSS feed — I am a fanstypants and I like to use these entities in my posts, often in my title. I am not familiar with the inner workings of WordPress (I chose to frankenstein a far lesser-known cms), it was easy enough to fix my issue with preg_replace() and a defined entity array — I am assuming that the aforementioned ent2ncr() does much the same thing. This might seem like a resource intensive method, but it only occurs at the time of publication in my CMS. I am sure the well-refined methodologies in WordPress outstrip my abilities, but it
allows me the freedom to use UTF-8 at will and still output valid XML to the feed.

]]> By: Alex http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5341 Alex Fri, 13 May 2005 16:24:27 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5341 Dougal: I agree it is a larger problem that just a WP problem, that was something I tried to make clear in the original post. Mathias: My feed is UTF-8, I have the ent2ncr and my feed breaks all the time due to the content in the Around the web posts. Dougal: I agree it is a larger problem that just a WP problem, that was something I tried to make clear in the original post.

Mathias: My feed is UTF-8, I have the ent2ncr and my feed breaks all the time due to the content in the Around the web posts.

]]> By: Mathias Bynens http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5340 Mathias Bynens Fri, 13 May 2005 16:10:41 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5340 <blockquote>You shouldn't be able to break (make them invalid) the RSS feeds just by hitting the publish button. :)</blockquote> That's why everyone should use the UTF-8 standard, as Matt pointed out. Plus, WordPress 1.5.1 comes with a nifty <code>ent2ncr()</code> function for stuff like this.

You shouldn’t be able to break (make them invalid) the RSS feeds just by hitting the publish button. :)

That’s why everyone should use the UTF-8 standard, as Matt pointed out. Plus, WordPress 1.5.1 comes with a nifty ent2ncr() function for stuff like this.

]]> By: Dougal Campbell http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5339 Dougal Campbell Fri, 13 May 2005 16:04:58 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5339 We should definitely endeavor to try to cover all the bases, but it's not a problem that's limited to WP. Look at <a href="http://intertwingly.net/blog/">Sam Ruby</a>, for example -- I think most people would consider him an expert and a stickler for compliance. But his feed often contains HTML entities that aren't valid for XML (e.g.  ). As a result, I can almost never view his feed in Thunderbird, because it has an unforgiving parser. Personally, I have my own home-grown version of your Unformatted plugin, which turns off the wptexturize and wpautop filters for the_content. Then I enter all of my posts in valid xhtml by hand. Which still doesn't necessarily take care of all possible RSS problems. But I haven't seen my feed go invalid in quite a while. Patient: "Doctor, when I paste text from other sites into my blog, it hurts!" Doctor: "Then don't do that!" ;) We should definitely endeavor to try to cover all the bases, but it’s not a problem that’s limited to WP.

Look at Sam Ruby, for example — I think most people would consider him an expert and a stickler for compliance. But his feed often contains HTML entities that aren’t valid for XML (e.g.  ). As a result, I can almost never view his feed in Thunderbird, because it has an unforgiving parser.

Personally, I have my own home-grown version of your Unformatted plugin, which turns off the wptexturize and wpautop filters for the_content. Then I enter all of my posts in valid xhtml by hand.

Which still doesn’t necessarily take care of all possible RSS problems. But I haven’t seen my feed go invalid in quite a while.

Patient: “Doctor, when I paste text from other sites into my blog, it hurts!”

Doctor: “Then don’t do that!”

;)

]]> By: Alex http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5338 Alex Fri, 13 May 2005 15:37:28 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5338 I appreciate all the concern, but I've never had problem with the HTML display on my site (despite this problem). Now the RSS feeds on the other hand, those break nearly weekly. I appreciate all the concern, but I’ve never had problem with the HTML display on my site (despite this problem). Now the RSS feeds on the other hand, those break nearly weekly.

]]> By: Matt http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5337 Matt Fri, 13 May 2005 15:35:06 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5337 Yes, if you're set to UTF-8 on the backend and as OFJ pointed out your template says iso then you'll have even more problems, some just from typing, nothing to do with copy and paste. Yes, if you’re set to UTF-8 on the backend and as OFJ pointed out your template says iso then you’ll have even more problems, some just from typing, nothing to do with copy and paste.

]]> By: Alex http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5336 Alex Fri, 13 May 2005 15:11:23 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5336 It isn't the HTML that really bothers me, browsers are very forgiving. It's the broken RSS feeds (some people use strict parsing feed readers) that are the main problem for me. It isn’t the HTML that really bothers me, browsers are very forgiving. It’s the broken RSS feeds (some people use strict parsing feed readers) that are the main problem for me.

]]> By: O.F. Jay http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5335 O.F. Jay Fri, 13 May 2005 15:08:35 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5335 Alex: the encoding in your options is UTF-8 but the <em>output</em> on the HTML template is iso-8859-1. (Line 5 of this page source.) This disjunct is the cause of a whole load of problems for people who don't know it. Changing the charset meta tag should be easier than converting the contents of your DB to utf-8. Give it a try with the formatting on and see if it works. Alex: the encoding in your options is UTF-8 but the output on the HTML template is iso-8859-1. (Line 5 of this page source.) This disjunct is the cause of a whole load of problems for people who don’t know it. Changing the charset meta tag should be easier than converting the contents of your DB to utf-8. Give it a try with the formatting on and see if it works.

]]> By: Recipher http://alexking.org/blog/2005/05/12/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste#comment-5334 Recipher Fri, 13 May 2005 13:51:55 +0000 http://www.alexking.org/blog/2005/05/08/wordpress-breaks-copy-paste/#comment-5334 This is the <strong>only</strong> fret I have with Wordpress. I've had this happen on numerous occasions, especially when copy and pasting into different applications which generatre RSS feeds, then, viewing it on Feedreader. I was always wondering what this was. This is the only fret I have with WordPress. I’ve had this happen on numerous occasions, especially when copy and pasting into different applications which generatre RSS feeds, then, viewing it on Feedreader. I was always wondering what this was.

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