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	<description>Alex King, Denver Web Developer</description>
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		<title>By: scot hacker&#8217;s foobar blog &#187; The Economics of UGC</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-12551</link>
		<dc:creator>scot hacker&#8217;s foobar blog &#187; The Economics of UGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The recent proliferation of free massive storage systems has changed user expectations for all hosting systems. Alex King, on user expectations at FeedLounge: When I hear someone say â€œa service like this should be freeâ€?, it feels a little like they are saying â€œyour time and investment are worth nothingâ€?. I know itâ€™s not personal, but to make a really great product, you have to invest yourself personally. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The recent proliferation of free massive storage systems has changed user expectations for all hosting systems. Alex King, on user expectations at FeedLounge: When I hear someone say â€œa service like this should be freeâ€?, it feels a little like they are saying â€œyour time and investment are worth nothingâ€?. I know itâ€™s not personal, but to make a really great product, you have to invest yourself personally. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Breeze Blog &#187; I&#8217;m out of the loop</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7465</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool Breeze Blog &#187; I&#8217;m out of the loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. FeedLounge by Alex King, a web based feed reader. Working with Alex, I have found him to be an excellent developer, perfectionist, and savy business man. I&#8217;m a alpha tester, and I see a lot of promise in this product, but I&#8217;m stuck on the &#8220;price issue&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1. FeedLounge by Alex King, a web based feed reader. Working with Alex, I have found him to be an excellent developer, perfectionist, and savy business man. I&#8217;m a alpha tester, and I see a lot of promise in this product, but I&#8217;m stuck on the &#8220;price issue&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7201</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, isn&#039;t it too late?  I think with the dynamics and investment (as said in this post) already involved, you&#039;re going to have to charge the said amount.  I honestly have no doubt that you&#039;ll succeed in this endeavor as you have with your others, and it will be a great service.  

In my opinion, when you start out with a project plan you decide how the project is going to benefit others and how it&#039;s going to benefit yourself.  Then in marketing the product you try to convince others that it will benefit them in a way that it worth what they would pay for it.

I guess I feel I have a need for this product in one shape or another, but not a need to pay.  

And moreover I think that&#039;s what is involved with 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™d never pay for any online service, all online services should be free.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
(Not that I am the one that initially said that statement.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, isn&#8217;t it too late?  I think with the dynamics and investment (as said in this post) already involved, you&#8217;re going to have to charge the said amount.  I honestly have no doubt that you&#8217;ll succeed in this endeavor as you have with your others, and it will be a great service.  </p>
<p>In my opinion, when you start out with a project plan you decide how the project is going to benefit others and how it&#8217;s going to benefit yourself.  Then in marketing the product you try to convince others that it will benefit them in a way that it worth what they would pay for it.</p>
<p>I guess I feel I have a need for this product in one shape or another, but not a need to pay.  </p>
<p>And moreover I think that&#8217;s what is involved with </p>
<blockquote><p>Iâ€™d never pay for any online service, all online services should be free.</p></blockquote>
<p>(Not that I am the one that initially said that statement.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7183</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, given the information provided in this post, how do you recommend we make the service free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, given the information provided in this post, how do you recommend we make the service free?</p>
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		<title>By: Teh Blarg</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7181</link>
		<dc:creator>Teh Blarg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Feeds are the Future&lt;/strong&gt;

	Time is valuable.  Syndication feeds save time.  
	I used to have a large links page that I would go through and click on each for updates about 3-5x each day.  This process took me between 10 minutes and an hour each time I went through.  Many of the...</description>
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<p>	Time is valuable.  Syndication feeds save time.<br />
	I used to have a large links page that I would go through and click on each for updates about 3-5x each day.  This process took me between 10 minutes and an hour each time I went through.  Many of the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7180</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shrug, I&#039;m a fan of the &quot;keep the web free&quot; movement, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shrug, I&#8217;m a fan of the &#8220;keep the web free&#8221; movement, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7034</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you Alex.  

I&#039;ve had some issues with Newgator, and if FL can take  them away, then Â£3 p/m is not a bad deal, as well as being able to use on any machine anywhere.

Keep at it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you Alex.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had some issues with Newgator, and if FL can take  them away, then Â£3 p/m is not a bad deal, as well as being able to use on any machine anywhere.</p>
<p>Keep at it!!</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7026</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ConÃ¡nn: It&#039;s exactly what FL will be doing.  That&#039;s why I referenced Flickr in my comment above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ConÃ¡nn: It&#8217;s exactly what FL will be doing.  That&#8217;s why I referenced Flickr in my comment above.</p>
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		<title>By: A Mountain Top</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7023</link>
		<dc:creator>A Mountain Top</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Paying for content online&lt;/strong&gt;

A friend of mine, Alex King and I recently had lunch.  We got into a discussion about paying for online services.  He recently started a new online service called Feed Lounge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Paying for content online</strong></p>
<p>A friend of mine, Alex King and I recently had lunch.  We got into a discussion about paying for online services.  He recently started a new online service called Feed Lounge</p>
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		<title>By: Avi Flax</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7021</link>
		<dc:creator>Avi Flax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t listen to the doubters - FL has a ton of potential and if you stay focused and positive it will be a big success!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t listen to the doubters &#8211; FL has a ton of potential and if you stay focused and positive it will be a big success!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7020</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be glad to pay a montly fee for FeedLounge. I&#039;m testing the alpha right now and althought I haven&#039;t touched a lot of the featues yet, I&#039;ve liked what I see. I can&#039;t wait to see what the future holds for FL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be glad to pay a montly fee for FeedLounge. I&#8217;m testing the alpha right now and althought I haven&#8217;t touched a lot of the featues yet, I&#8217;ve liked what I see. I can&#8217;t wait to see what the future holds for FL!</p>
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		<title>By: ConÃ¡nn</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7019</link>
		<dc:creator>ConÃ¡nn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you taken a look at the flickr model were free users get a limited service while paying costomers get more features? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you taken a look at the flickr model were free users get a limited service while paying costomers get more features? </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan C.</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7016</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I really don&#039;t see how people can make such a deal about a potential $5 monthly investment. So much seems to be taken for granted on the internet...

I&#039;m by no means &#039;loose&#039; with my money, but I wouldn&#039;t think twice about signing up, assuming the service was remotely useful &amp; could replace my current reader. 

SERIOUSLY people.. $5! You&#039;re hard pressed to even find a LUNCH that cheap nowadays. (And you only need to pay THIS fee once a month!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I really don&#8217;t see how people can make such a deal about a potential $5 monthly investment. So much seems to be taken for granted on the internet&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m by no means &#8216;loose&#8217; with my money, but I wouldn&#8217;t think twice about signing up, assuming the service was remotely useful &amp; could replace my current reader. </p>
<p>SERIOUSLY people.. $5! You&#8217;re hard pressed to even find a LUNCH that cheap nowadays. (And you only need to pay THIS fee once a month!)</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7014</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray: Alex&#039;s point is that they&#039;re hoping to make a better service than what&#039;s already out there for free.  Is everyone going to think that way?  Of course not.  But some people are going to pay for it.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://ijsm.org/archives/2005/07/10/make-that-two-of-us/&quot;&gt;I&#039;m on the record as saying that I will&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://ijsm.org/archives/2004/04/27/homesteading-the-noosphere/&quot;&gt;the reason is that infrastructure does cost money&lt;/a&gt;.

Consider, for a moment, &lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/&quot;&gt;Flickr&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://imageshack.us/&quot;&gt;ImageShack&lt;/a&gt;.  They&#039;re both in roughly the same space---free Web hosting of photos---but Flickr is so much better than ImageShack that many folks supported it early on in its life.  [It was successful to the point that Yahoo! even bought &#039;em out, y&#039;know?]

The end result of all of this is that Alex and Scott want to fill a niche: a shared services system for consuming syndication feeds.  The end value isn&#039;t going to come from just a good user experience, although that alone is worth paying for.  It&#039;s going to come from having a good user experience, not ever having to worry much about your feed reader or maintain it---which I&#039;ve had to do in the past---and in the community knowledge base that FL hopes to build.

I understand that some people look at it as a pure dollars-and-cents proposition, and I can respect that, honestly.  But in making dollars-and-cents your highest-priority &quot;feature&quot;, you will sacrifice other features along the way.  For me, I don&#039;t want to sacrifice that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray: Alex&#8217;s point is that they&#8217;re hoping to make a better service than what&#8217;s already out there for free.  Is everyone going to think that way?  Of course not.  But some people are going to pay for it.  <a href="http://ijsm.org/archives/2005/07/10/make-that-two-of-us/">I&#8217;m on the record as saying that I will</a>, and <a href="http://ijsm.org/archives/2004/04/27/homesteading-the-noosphere/">the reason is that infrastructure does cost money</a>.</p>
<p>Consider, for a moment, <a href="http://flickr.com/">Flickr</a> and <a href="http://imageshack.us/">ImageShack</a>.  They&#8217;re both in roughly the same space&#8212;free Web hosting of photos&#8212;but Flickr is so much better than ImageShack that many folks supported it early on in its life.  [It was successful to the point that Yahoo! even bought 'em out, y'know?]</p>
<p>The end result of all of this is that Alex and Scott want to fill a niche: a shared services system for consuming syndication feeds.  The end value isn&#8217;t going to come from just a good user experience, although that alone is worth paying for.  It&#8217;s going to come from having a good user experience, not ever having to worry much about your feed reader or maintain it&#8212;which I&#8217;ve had to do in the past&#8212;and in the community knowledge base that FL hopes to build.</p>
<p>I understand that some people look at it as a pure dollars-and-cents proposition, and I can respect that, honestly.  But in making dollars-and-cents your highest-priority &#8220;feature&#8221;, you will sacrifice other features along the way.  For me, I don&#8217;t want to sacrifice that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2005/07/26/feedlounge-investment#comment-7013</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comparison with a desktop reader, however the desktop reader stores data on your hard drive and uses your bandwidth so the expenses are just not there that would drive the cost up. What a desktop reader can&#039;t offer that a web based reader can is access from multiple machines.

I completely agree that if the service can&#039;t sustain itself we&#039;ll need to rethink the model. I believe it can sustain itself, I&#039;m just trying to share what is going on behind the curtain. :)

UPDATE: One more note - if you pay $5/month and use the service 4 times a day, that comes out to ~$.04 per usage. For some, this will be worth it - others (IMO, more casual users) will not have that level of usage and won&#039;t see value in the paid version. Both views are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comparison with a desktop reader, however the desktop reader stores data on your hard drive and uses your bandwidth so the expenses are just not there that would drive the cost up. What a desktop reader can&#8217;t offer that a web based reader can is access from multiple machines.</p>
<p>I completely agree that if the service can&#8217;t sustain itself we&#8217;ll need to rethink the model. I believe it can sustain itself, I&#8217;m just trying to share what is going on behind the curtain. <img src='http://alexking.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>UPDATE: One more note &#8211; if you pay $5/month and use the service 4 times a day, that comes out to ~$.04 per usage. For some, this will be worth it &#8211; others (IMO, more casual users) will not have that level of usage and won&#8217;t see value in the paid version. Both views are right.</p>
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