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	<title>Comments on: Expectations</title>
	<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations</link>
	<description>Alex King's blog - software, photography, sports, etc.</description>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17765</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17765</guid>
		<description>It's okay, Matt.  :)

I don't know if it's that 2.0 apps are any more or less personal than anything else is; I certainly don't feel like GMail is all that personally known with the devs.  I think it's more of an ISV thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s okay, Matt.  <img src='http://alexking.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s that 2.0 apps are any more or less personal than anything else is; I certainly don&#8217;t feel like GMail is all that personally known with the devs.  I think it&#8217;s more of an ISV thing.</p>
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		<title>By: matt w.</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17589</link>
		<dc:creator>matt w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17589</guid>
		<description>... I just woke up and pretty much brain farted in my response.  So ignore that.  I agree with you Geoff.

I do think it's an interesting thing with Web 2.0 App's though.  They have SO many users and all of those users feel like they have the direct line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; I just woke up and pretty much brain farted in my response.  So ignore that.  I agree with you Geoff.</p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s an interesting thing with Web 2.0 App&#8217;s though.  They have SO many users and all of those users feel like they have the direct line.</p>
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		<title>By: matt w.</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17584</link>
		<dc:creator>matt w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17584</guid>
		<description>Mmm, not sure you can split Web 2.0 apps and the "increasingly-personal nature of the Internet" into two separate ideas (they're nearly one in the same if you ask me) so I'd still argue that it is particular to them.

But you are right that it is a problem with independent developers as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, not sure you can split Web 2.0 apps and the &#8220;increasingly-personal nature of the Internet&#8221; into two separate ideas (they&#8217;re nearly one in the same if you ask me) so I&#8217;d still argue that it is particular to them.</p>
<p>But you are right that it is a problem with independent developers as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17421</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17421</guid>
		<description>Alex: First thing I did when I noticed that I didn't have anything new was to check the status page.  The note was up, so I just shrugged and went on about it.  Y'all were on it, and it was Saturday.  I had other things I could be doing.  ;)

&lt;blockquote&gt;The point I made to him was that the “2.0″ apps that are around now are offering unprecedented access to their developers. For instance you and Scott are commonly interacting directly with your users in your forums. I think this directly leads to incorrect expectations (perceptions?) with the users. I’m not saying you should stop doing this, but I do think it’s the cause of it for both feedlounge and many other app’s coming out now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Matt, what you're describing is no different than what independent developers have always handled.  I'm sure that Brent Simmons can talk about all sorts of stuff in the early Ranchero days.  Ready access is both good and bad, and it's not the nature of Web 2.0 apps that makes this happen: it's just the increasingly-personal nature of the Internet.

But I like Alex and Scott, so it's all good.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex: First thing I did when I noticed that I didn&#8217;t have anything new was to check the status page.  The note was up, so I just shrugged and went on about it.  Y&#8217;all were on it, and it was Saturday.  I had other things I could be doing.  <img src='http://alexking.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>The point I made to him was that the “2.0″ apps that are around now are offering unprecedented access to their developers. For instance you and Scott are commonly interacting directly with your users in your forums. I think this directly leads to incorrect expectations (perceptions?) with the users. I’m not saying you should stop doing this, but I do think it’s the cause of it for both feedlounge and many other app’s coming out now.</p></blockquote>
<p>Matt, what you&#8217;re describing is no different than what independent developers have always handled.  I&#8217;m sure that Brent Simmons can talk about all sorts of stuff in the early Ranchero days.  Ready access is both good and bad, and it&#8217;s not the nature of Web 2.0 apps that makes this happen: it&#8217;s just the increasingly-personal nature of the Internet.</p>
<p>But I like Alex and Scott, so it&#8217;s all good.  <img src='http://alexking.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Brent Simmons</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17371</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17371</guid>
		<description>Matt -- one way to say it is that "the ClueTrain goes both ways." Or, rather, it should.

By that I mean that with unprecendented access to developers, users would do well to put themselves in the developers' shoes too, not just use it as a good chance to complain. Empathy should go both ways. But you're right, promoting that idea is tricky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8212; one way to say it is that &#8220;the ClueTrain goes both ways.&#8221; Or, rather, it should.</p>
<p>By that I mean that with unprecendented access to developers, users would do well to put themselves in the developers&#8217; shoes too, not just use it as a good chance to complain. Empathy should go both ways. But you&#8217;re right, promoting that idea is tricky.</p>
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		<title>By: matt w.</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17353</link>
		<dc:creator>matt w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://alexking.org/blog/2006/04/22/expectations#comment-17353</guid>
		<description>All great points.  I was having a discussion with a friend of mine recently (about feedlounge oddly enough).  He was sharing some minor frustrations with me and I was trying to explain how I felt as a developer in similar situations.  What it really boiled down to was that he had unrealistic expectations if you ask me.

The point I made to him was that the "2.0" apps that are around now are offering unprecedented access to their developers.  For instance you and Scott are commonly interacting directly with your users in your forums.  I think this directly leads to incorrect expectations (perceptions?) with the users.  I'm not saying you should stop doing this, but I do think it's the cause of it for both feedlounge and many other app's coming out now.

Think about it, if you have a problem with your Mac or WindowsXP, you have no direct line of communication with Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, so you are more willing to take some of the bad with the good and not worry too much about the bad.  However if you do have a direct line to the developer(s), it is more likely that you are not only going to mention any gripes you have, but you're also going to get bent out of shape if you don't see immediate attention to your gripes (or if you feel other things are getting more attention then your gripes).

It's not realistic on the users part to expect you to deal directly with every single complaint immediately.  Unfortunately, users are seeming to expect this, and I don't really know how to counteract any of it, but I think it's something that if users just realized it, it could help greatly.

It would also help if companies, like Google in particular, would quit it with the "perpetual Beta" which has basically lead us to a time where users no longer really understand what the Beta stage of development really is, but that's a whole other story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All great points.  I was having a discussion with a friend of mine recently (about feedlounge oddly enough).  He was sharing some minor frustrations with me and I was trying to explain how I felt as a developer in similar situations.  What it really boiled down to was that he had unrealistic expectations if you ask me.</p>
<p>The point I made to him was that the &#8220;2.0&#8243; apps that are around now are offering unprecedented access to their developers.  For instance you and Scott are commonly interacting directly with your users in your forums.  I think this directly leads to incorrect expectations (perceptions?) with the users.  I&#8217;m not saying you should stop doing this, but I do think it&#8217;s the cause of it for both feedlounge and many other app&#8217;s coming out now.</p>
<p>Think about it, if you have a problem with your Mac or WindowsXP, you have no direct line of communication with Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, so you are more willing to take some of the bad with the good and not worry too much about the bad.  However if you do have a direct line to the developer(s), it is more likely that you are not only going to mention any gripes you have, but you&#8217;re also going to get bent out of shape if you don&#8217;t see immediate attention to your gripes (or if you feel other things are getting more attention then your gripes).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not realistic on the users part to expect you to deal directly with every single complaint immediately.  Unfortunately, users are seeming to expect this, and I don&#8217;t really know how to counteract any of it, but I think it&#8217;s something that if users just realized it, it could help greatly.</p>
<p>It would also help if companies, like Google in particular, would quit it with the &#8220;perpetual Beta&#8221; which has basically lead us to a time where users no longer really understand what the Beta stage of development really is, but that&#8217;s a whole other story.</p>
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