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	<title>Comments on: More GPL Themes &#8211; Yay &#8220;Free&#8221;dom</title>
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		<title>By: My thoughts on GPL bandwagon and â€œme tooâ€ trend among wordpress theme developers &#124; Wordpress Themes</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-133035</link>
		<dc:creator>My thoughts on GPL bandwagon and â€œme tooâ€ trend among wordpress theme developers &#124; Wordpress Themes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] liberties that the GPL licensing model offers.   Alex King, a well known wordpress contributor raised the question and heated arguments started all over â€“ on twitter, blog posts and support [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wordpress Theme News &#8211; Woothemes and iThemes go GPL! &#160;&#124;&#160;DivageekDesigns.com</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-89064</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordpress Theme News &#8211; Woothemes and iThemes go GPL! &#160;&#124;&#160;DivageekDesigns.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alex King reminded people of this fact, and the mere idea of exercising the rights granted by the GPL led to quite a bashing in the comments. Some commenters even went so far as to say theyâ€™ve lost â€œall respectâ€ Alex, again, for merely pointing out the idea, not actually doing it. Alex later apologized for that post he made earlier. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alex King reminded people of this fact, and the mere idea of exercising the rights granted by the GPL led to quite a bashing in the comments. Some commenters even went so far as to say theyâ€™ve lost â€œall respectâ€ Alex, again, for merely pointing out the idea, not actually doing it. Alex later apologized for that post he made earlier. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hellas</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-89036</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it looks I need to feel guilty because I use something what is under GPL.

Why dont you feel guilty because you want to earn money from open source spirit. 

You should think before making this only way of living for your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it looks I need to feel guilty because I use something what is under GPL.</p>
<p>Why dont you feel guilty because you want to earn money from open source spirit. </p>
<p>You should think before making this only way of living for your family.</p>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m Boycotting The Spread Of FUD</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-77426</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m Boycotting The Spread Of FUD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In my opinion, the battle Matt was fighting was trying to get commercial theme authors to recognize the fact that it&#8217;s wrong to place restrictions on their products which used an open platform that provided them an opportunity for their business to exist in the first place. Also, I fail to recognize the scare tactics Kevin mentions and of course, Automattic once again has nothing to do with this. Iâ€™m not so sure GPL themes are any more susceptible to piracy than non-GPL themes. For the most part, if someone wants to steal your theme, theyâ€™re not concerned about the legal ramifications. If anything, making a theme GPL compliant may actually give them more reason to do so as Alex King points out, â€œif I receive a theme under the GPL I can then redistribute it (for free or for a fee) as a right gra...â€. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In my opinion, the battle Matt was fighting was trying to get commercial theme authors to recognize the fact that it&#8217;s wrong to place restrictions on their products which used an open platform that provided them an opportunity for their business to exist in the first place. Also, I fail to recognize the scare tactics Kevin mentions and of course, Automattic once again has nothing to do with this. Iâ€™m not so sure GPL themes are any more susceptible to piracy than non-GPL themes. For the most part, if someone wants to steal your theme, theyâ€™re not concerned about the legal ramifications. If anything, making a theme GPL compliant may actually give them more reason to do so as Alex King points out, â€œif I receive a theme under the GPL I can then redistribute it (for free or for a fee) as a right gra&#8230;â€. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Tadlock</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-77409</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Tadlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe

I think you&#039;ve gotten some information incorrect.  Hybrid is a framework for developers and designers to build upon.  It was never created for the average blogger (even though many do use it).

$25 for understanding how to use the theme?  Hardly.  There are 1,000s of people that use the theme just fine and never join the club.  The only reason the theme has paid documentation and support is because theme club members have paid me to take the time to write out the documentation.  Otherwise, there&#039;d be next to nothing in terms of docs because I simply wouldn&#039;t have the time to write them out.

I suppose I could just hide everything behind a payment wall.  I could stop letting folks try the theme out before investing any money into the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve gotten some information incorrect.  Hybrid is a framework for developers and designers to build upon.  It was never created for the average blogger (even though many do use it).</p>
<p>$25 for understanding how to use the theme?  Hardly.  There are 1,000s of people that use the theme just fine and never join the club.  The only reason the theme has paid documentation and support is because theme club members have paid me to take the time to write out the documentation.  Otherwise, there&#8217;d be next to nothing in terms of docs because I simply wouldn&#8217;t have the time to write them out.</p>
<p>I suppose I could just hide everything behind a payment wall.  I could stop letting folks try the theme out before investing any money into the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-76016</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have some of your facts confused. Carrington is a CMS theme framework for designers and developers to use to create themes for WordPress as CMS web sites. It&#039;s not intended to be a usable framework for end-users.

I can&#039;t wait to see the plugins you get built for less than $75. Best of luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have some of your facts confused. Carrington is a CMS theme framework for designers and developers to use to create themes for WordPress as CMS web sites. It&#8217;s not intended to be a usable framework for end-users.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see the plugins you get built for less than $75. Best of luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-76007</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With every GPL &quot;framework&quot; out there, the theme may be free but the theme is completely useless unless you have a mastery of exactly how WP works and of all the necessary component parts (PHP, CSS, etc).

@Justin Tadlock: Hybrid is an awesome framework, and it&#039;s free, or just $25 a year w/ &quot;support.&quot; But it&#039;s completely useless to someone who wants to work on their site, not ON your theme. As a free member of the &quot;theme club&quot; you can&#039;t access even the most basic of documentation, like what each template does or even WHERE the plugin areas are. You are the guy in the desert that sells cups, but won&#039;t tell the parched man where to fill up. Since when does paying for &quot;support&quot; mean &quot;Pay for even the most basic of documentation?&quot; or &quot;Pay up or you won&#039;t even be allowed to see what you&#039;re actually INSTALLING?&quot;

It&#039;s themes like Hybrid and Thematic (and even Carrington to a lesser extent) that make me feel that GPLing themes is a BAD idea, and they&#039;re the poster children for the effort. GPLing a theme is starting to equate with &quot;making a theme impossibly difficult to use so you can charge for support.&quot; And framework is starting to mean &quot;must be a developer to use at all.&quot;

@Alex when I first learned about your Twitter plugin I installed it and then realized I couldn&#039;t include/exclude particular posts. A quick email from your WP support service was happy to tell me they could &quot;try&quot; to do something for me for like $75 an hour.

I could hire someone to write a NEW plugin for less than that.

I&#039;m writing this as a completely hypocritical user of the WP world&#039;s MOST un-GPL&#039;d theme in existence. In fact, you could call it the antiTHESIS of the GPL... but here&#039;s the catch:

I use a ridiculously expensive theme that spits on the efforts of every GPL theme designer, and yet, and yet, I&#039;ve never once actually needed support. The thing just works, and I&#039;ve modified all sorts of things on it, things that are supposed to be easy to do with Hybrid and Thematic and Carrington. It&#039;s possible, perhaps, to do these things, but by no means easy for the average blogger.

If we GPL&#039;d hot dogs some of you would start giving away meat by-products and flour, and charging $250 an hour to use your oven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With every GPL &#8220;framework&#8221; out there, the theme may be free but the theme is completely useless unless you have a mastery of exactly how WP works and of all the necessary component parts (PHP, CSS, etc).</p>
<p>@Justin Tadlock: Hybrid is an awesome framework, and it&#8217;s free, or just $25 a year w/ &#8220;support.&#8221; But it&#8217;s completely useless to someone who wants to work on their site, not ON your theme. As a free member of the &#8220;theme club&#8221; you can&#8217;t access even the most basic of documentation, like what each template does or even WHERE the plugin areas are. You are the guy in the desert that sells cups, but won&#8217;t tell the parched man where to fill up. Since when does paying for &#8220;support&#8221; mean &#8220;Pay for even the most basic of documentation?&#8221; or &#8220;Pay up or you won&#8217;t even be allowed to see what you&#8217;re actually INSTALLING?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s themes like Hybrid and Thematic (and even Carrington to a lesser extent) that make me feel that GPLing themes is a BAD idea, and they&#8217;re the poster children for the effort. GPLing a theme is starting to equate with &#8220;making a theme impossibly difficult to use so you can charge for support.&#8221; And framework is starting to mean &#8220;must be a developer to use at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Alex when I first learned about your Twitter plugin I installed it and then realized I couldn&#8217;t include/exclude particular posts. A quick email from your WP support service was happy to tell me they could &#8220;try&#8221; to do something for me for like $75 an hour.</p>
<p>I could hire someone to write a NEW plugin for less than that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this as a completely hypocritical user of the WP world&#8217;s MOST un-GPL&#8217;d theme in existence. In fact, you could call it the antiTHESIS of the GPL&#8230; but here&#8217;s the catch:</p>
<p>I use a ridiculously expensive theme that spits on the efforts of every GPL theme designer, and yet, and yet, I&#8217;ve never once actually needed support. The thing just works, and I&#8217;ve modified all sorts of things on it, things that are supposed to be easy to do with Hybrid and Thematic and Carrington. It&#8217;s possible, perhaps, to do these things, but by no means easy for the average blogger.</p>
<p>If we GPL&#8217;d hot dogs some of you would start giving away meat by-products and flour, and charging $250 an hour to use your oven.</p>
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		<title>By: Anil</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-72253</link>
		<dc:creator>Anil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I want to sell a wordpress theme. I want to start with a theme which has GNU General Public License v2 like Sandbox. I want to add some of my own code and modify some of the existing code. When I finish my theme can I  attribute that my theme is based on sandbox theme and then sell it. Will I  have the rights to sell a theme based on modifications of an gpl v2 theme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I want to sell a wordpress theme. I want to start with a theme which has GNU General Public License v2 like Sandbox. I want to add some of my own code and modify some of the existing code. When I finish my theme can I  attribute that my theme is based on sandbox theme and then sell it. Will I  have the rights to sell a theme based on modifications of an gpl v2 theme.</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress Featuring Commercial GPL Themes &#124; WPblogger</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-70822</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress Featuring Commercial GPL Themes &#124; WPblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://alexking.org/?p=3342#comment-70822</guid>
		<description>[...] of making premium themes available for free, Corey Miller of iThemes quickly chimed in with this comment: &#8220;I think by just opening up this door to your right (as you are free to do so) isnâ€™t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of making premium themes available for free, Corey Miller of iThemes quickly chimed in with this comment: &#8220;I think by just opening up this door to your right (as you are free to do so) isnâ€™t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My thoughts on GPL bandwagon and â€œme tooâ€ trend among wordpress theme developers &#187; WOOGLE ARAMA MOTORU</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-70564</link>
		<dc:creator>My thoughts on GPL bandwagon and â€œme tooâ€ trend among wordpress theme developers &#187; WOOGLE ARAMA MOTORU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] King, a well known wordpress contributor raised the question and heated arguments started all over â€“ on twitter, blog posts and support [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Theme Playground &#124; The Douchebag Principle</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-69839</link>
		<dc:creator>Theme Playground &#124; The Douchebag Principle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] King was torn apart last week for supposing a scenario, based on what I&#8217;ve said above, wherein someone so inclined could [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WooThemes Goes GPL, More Will Follow &#124; Blogging Blogging</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-69771</link>
		<dc:creator>WooThemes Goes GPL, More Will Follow &#124; Blogging Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] yet another premium themes seller goes GPL. I think thatâ€™s good, but as Alex King pointed out (and then at least somewhat rephrased), the pure fact that themes are GPLâ€™d means that anyone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yet another premium themes seller goes GPL. I think thatâ€™s good, but as Alex King pointed out (and then at least somewhat rephrased), the pure fact that themes are GPLâ€™d means that anyone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My Take on the WordPress Themes &#38; the GPL License &#124; Blogging Tips from Blogsessive</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-69758</link>
		<dc:creator>My Take on the WordPress Themes &#38; the GPL License &#124; Blogging Tips from Blogsessive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] always seems to evolve into &#8220;open source&#8221; versus &#8220;author protection&#8221;. As Alex King pointed out in one of his posts, theme authors should be aware of what the GPL license exposes them too, while it provides freedom [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] always seems to evolve into &#8220;open source&#8221; versus &#8220;author protection&#8221;. As Alex King pointed out in one of his posts, theme authors should be aware of what the GPL license exposes them too, while it provides freedom [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WooThemes Goes GPL, More Will Follow &#124; The Blog Herald</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-69746</link>
		<dc:creator>WooThemes Goes GPL, More Will Follow &#124; The Blog Herald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://alexking.org/?p=3342#comment-69746</guid>
		<description>[...] yet another premium themes seller goes GPL. I think that&#8217;s good, but as Alex King pointed out (and then at least somewhat rephrased), the pure fact that themes are GPL&#8217;d means that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] yet another premium themes seller goes GPL. I think that&#8217;s good, but as Alex King pointed out (and then at least somewhat rephrased), the pure fact that themes are GPL&#8217;d means that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My thoughts on GPL bandwagon and â€œme tooâ€ trend among wordpress theme developers</title>
		<link>http://alexking.org/blog/2009/06/17/more-gpl-themes-yay-freedom#comment-69263</link>
		<dc:creator>My thoughts on GPL bandwagon and â€œme tooâ€ trend among wordpress theme developers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] King, a well known wordpress contributor raised the question and heated arguments started all over â€“ on twitter, blog posts and support [...]</description>
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