There are 2 reasons I don’t use FeedBurner, in spite of all the cool features it has to offer:
- I want to own my feed URLs.
- I want to own my permalinks (item URLs).
The first can be somewhat mitigated by using mod_rewrite1, but the second it a bit more tricky.
URLs in FeedBurner feeds look like this:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/tecosystems/~3/45177614/002475.html
instead of like this:
http://redmonk.com/sogrady/archives/002475.html
While I understand that this is necessary for them to provide the statistical data they do2, there are some fairly major tradeoffs that you have to accept:
- Any tools people use to bring data from their feed reader to other tools (like their own blog, link blog or del.icio.us) will use the feedburner.com URL instead of the actual permalink for the page.
- You are reliant on FeedBurner staying in business and continuing to offer service for these redirects from their site to your site to work.
For example, let’s say that I want to use the del.icio.us or Technorati APIs to show where folks have bookmarked/tagged a post on my blog. If folks are tagging/bookmarking directly from their feed readers3 then they are tagging/bookmarking the feedburner.com redirect URLs instead of my real links. I won’t necessarily show all the information from del.icio.us and Technorati that I want to because some of the activity is happening on a different URL.
This isn’t just hypothetical, I actually ran into this when rebuilding my site and creating my Link Harvest plugin.
For any feed reader I’ve used (NetNewsWire, FeedLounge), I create tools to make it easy for me to add items I’m reading to my weekly Around the web posts. Now I’ve got the same tools to create link blog entries as well. I’m lazy, I want to use the tools I’ve created – when I do that with an item from a FeedBurner powered feed, I get the feedburner.com redirect URL as a result.
If you look back over my Around the web posts, you’ll see a bunch of feedburner.com URLs. This both tweaks the stats that FeedBurner provides (since folks clicking through from my blog posts aren’t directly from the feeds themselves) and causes problems for reporting I want to do from my own data.
My links page is powered by my Link Harvest plugin. Until I did a rewrite to add special handling for FeedBurner URLs in the last few days, RedMonk (redmonk.com) was down around 15 links (now up to 53) on the list because, though I often link to Steve‘s posts.
So the question becomes, do I care enough about other people’s URLs that I’m willing to not use my tools for FeedBurner powered feeds? Or will laziness and automation prevail? That was rhetorical. 😉
FeedBurner is a big player in the feed space and I find accurate data to be more interesting than inaccurate data, so I am willing to do some special handling for FeedBurner feeds. As I mentioned, I’ve got a few special case handling solutions for Link Harvest. Not everyone will be willing to do this extra work though.
If you use FeedBurner, I’d love to hear how you feel about this issue – the comments are open.
UPDATE: Based on the comments below, perhaps I should have clarified this to be “why I don’t like the URL rewriting/click-through tracking feature of FeedBurner”. Instead of staying on the outside and criticizing, I’m going to test Steve Smith’s plugin.
UPDATE #2: Oops, I can’t actually use that plugin as-is because of my hack-fu that allows both my main blog and my golf blog to run from the same WordPress database. Time to hack.
- I don’t think that FeedBurner issues any 301s when serving their feeds. [back]
- Because most feed readers wisely strip JavaScript from feed content, which would be the other alternative. [back]
- Which I already do, and the feed reading tools are only offering more of this. [back]
This post is part of the project: Link Harvest. View the project timeline for more context on this post.
This post is part of the project: Link Harvest. View the project timeline for more context on this post.
Alex,
Feedburner apparently just launched a feature called “My Brand” which lets you point a host at their services via a CNAME.
So http://feeds.alexking.org/ could be served off of their servers and you could use that as the host for your feeds.
It is not an infinitely flexible rewriting solution, but it keeps the load entirely on their server. A pretty good compromise if you ask me.
$2.99/mo for up to three feeds. $13.99 for 10 or more…
See:
https://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/mybrand
-DeWitt
Oh, and the link rewriting in feedburner is optional. They offer that as a for-pay value add to better track your feed usage. You can also opt to not use it.
-DeWitt (who must have just earned himself a free Feedburner upgrade today!)
I guess it’s the URL rewriting feature I really have an issue with. I understand that without it they can’t do stats as well, but even with the host-your-own option it creates an additional URL out there for the same page.
I don’t really like using feedburner either, but I don’t know of a better way to get RSS stats for a WordPress-powered site!
Alex: If you use Steve’s plugin and don’t turn on the feature that allows you to see click-thru stats, then none of your URLs change at all. And everything is completely transparent.
If you use Feedburner, or don’t, will be invisible to us users.
I’m not trying to disparage FeedBurner here, every interaction I’ve had with them has only impressed upon me that they have smart and dedicated folks working there and that they care about the product they produce.
My experience with the FeedBurner feeds that I subscribe to is that folks do use the URL rewriting feature, use the feeds.feedburner.com URL for folks to subscribe to, and other FeedBurner features – presumably because they like the benefits.
I’m not disputing the benefits these folks receive, I’m merely pointing out some issues that can arise from using these features. Issues that I ran into in real life scenarios.
Alex has hit on the exact same reasons that I have. And while yes, there do seem to be workarounds, how am I to know that as a prospective FB user? I just see something that I don’t like and choose not to use it.
It’s interesting, the reasons FeedBurner lists for signing up for the Pro account almost all require the URL rewriting feature.
If it were not for the fact that you got all your facts wrong, then you’d be correct.
Well you seem like a nice guy so let’s help you out. First, feedburner has offered redirect and the mybrand service for two years. Danny sullivan turned me onto it about two years ago, so it aint new. Slashdot uses feedburner and so does wired.com….can you tell? Not really. Secondly, on url rewriting, just go into your account and turn off url rewriting. Problem solved, no feedburner click urls woith all the other benefits. Gee, that wasn’t hard. 🙂 oh by the way, I STILL use rewrites. Why? Feedburner offers 301 to anybody who’s pro 🙂 get informed dude.
Yep that pretty well matches the information in my post. Learn to read, dude. 🙂
Hello Alex,
where do I can download your “Link Harvest plugin”?
I can’t find it under your WordPress Plugin page.
Thanks
regards
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Hi Alex,
Here is the method I have been using. I am able to keep my own feed URL and my own permalinks, plus get all the benefits of using feedburner at the same time. Here is the link.
No offense Ray, but that doesn’t even come close to addressing the issues I outline here.
I can appreciate your reasons for not using FB, Alex. I have some of the same concerns.
My question to all is what is a good way to track RSS subscribers (esp for a WordPress feed) without using FB? What are the best alternatives?
Thanks.
I have the same question as Trevor. I don’t really want to use Feedburner, but as of yet, I can’t figure out how many subscribers we have.
Been looking around a little and can’t seem to find a good solution.